Comments on: Zend Framework License http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/ The weblog of Joshua Eichorn, AJAX, PHP and Open Source Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:11:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1-alpha By: Sudheer http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-405432 Sudheer Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:51:26 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-405432 Hi Denny, Please keep us posted. We are eager to know if we can legally use ZF in a GPL product. Regards, Sudheer Hi Denny,

Please keep us posted. We are eager to know if we can legally use ZF in a GPL product.

Regards,
Sudheer

]]> By: Denny Law http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6117 Denny Law Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:39:24 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6117 BSD Clause 2 refers to the disclaimer included in the documentation and/or other materials provided, which might be text, audio or video - seems to be only barely more specified than the Zend clause, and certainly no difference in effect. I've emailed the GPL guys to hopefully take a look at this license and add their verdict to the GPL compatible licenses page. I was hoping to license a product with GPL, but dont want to exclude the chance to involve ZF code, so now I'm stuck. BSD Clause 2 refers to the disclaimer included in the documentation and/or other materials provided, which might be text, audio or video - seems to be only barely more specified than the Zend clause, and certainly no difference in effect.

I’ve emailed the GPL guys to hopefully take a look at this license and add their verdict to the GPL compatible licenses page.

I was hoping to license a product with GPL, but dont want to exclude the chance to involve ZF code, so now I’m stuck.

]]> By: Joshua Eichorn http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6090 Joshua Eichorn Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:44:17 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6090 Denny: Clause 1,2 simply says you must include the license too use it. The zend clause asks for acknowledgement in an unspecified way Denny: Clause 1,2 simply says you must include the license too use it. The zend clause asks for acknowledgement in an unspecified way

]]> By: Denny Law http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6088 Denny Law Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:16:59 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6088 Having compared the Zend Framework License with the BSD license, the difference is clause 5: "Redistributions of any form whatsoever must retain the following acknowledgment: "This product includes the Zend Framework, freely available at http://www.zend.com"" But how does this restricts the recipients rights under the GPL any more than the standard BSD clauses 1 and 2: " 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution." I dont see why when the above clauses (shared between the BSD and ZFL) do not cause GPL incompatibility, the ZFL clause 5 should be a problem. Having compared the Zend Framework License with the BSD license, the difference is clause 5:

“Redistributions of any form whatsoever must retain the following
acknowledgment:
“This product includes the Zend Framework, freely available at
http://www.zend.com“”

But how does this restricts the recipients rights under the GPL any more than the standard BSD clauses 1 and 2:

” 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.

2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above
copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following
disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided
with the distribution.”

I dont see why when the above clauses (shared between the BSD and ZFL) do not cause GPL incompatibility, the ZFL clause 5 should be a problem.

]]> By: Lukas http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6030 Lukas Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:37:26 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6030 Andi: http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/03/04/10OPopenent_1.html The fact that the license is similar helps little, you still have to see a lawyer just to figure out how this new license fits into the picture. The days of inventing new license for every company are long over. A company that gets open source should know this. Andi: http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/03/04/10OPopenent_1.html

The fact that the license is similar helps little, you still have to see a lawyer just to figure out how this new license fits into the picture. The days of inventing new license for every company are long over. A company that gets open source should know this.

]]> By: Denny Law http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6022 Denny Law Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:31:54 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6022 "you can use it in both commercial and open source apps" Open source apps distributed under which license? I'm struggling to find a (non-commercial) license that is compatible with the Zend Framework License. I guess it is only compatible with BSD-style licenses? “you can use it in both commercial and open source apps”

Open source apps distributed under which license?

I’m struggling to find a (non-commercial) license that is compatible with the Zend Framework License.

I guess it is only compatible with BSD-style licenses?

]]> By: Sandro Groganz http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6021 Sandro Groganz Mon, 06 Mar 2006 09:50:58 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6021 Joshua, you are pointing out all the reasons why we chose the New BSD License [http://ez.no/products/licenses/new_bsd] for the eZ components [http://ez.no/products/ez_components]. Joshua,

you are pointing out all the reasons why we chose the New BSD License [http://ez.no/products/licenses/new_bsd] for the eZ components [http://ez.no/products/ez_components].

]]> By: Denny Law http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6013 Denny Law Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:55:10 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6013 Andy, Thanks for the clarification. Andy,

Thanks for the clarification.

]]> By: simpleton http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6012 simpleton Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:33:25 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6012 Andi, the GPL historically precedes the vanity that is the PHP license. It is the PHP group who rejects the FSF, not the other way around. You are in a minority if you think that the l/GPL is a "pest" or that the PHP license is "respected". PHP as a product is certainly respected but the license needs to go. Many of the big corporations you wave your arm towards also maintain some of the most agregious licencing policies for their own products, so I submit that thay doesn't really speak well towards your argument. Please, choose LGPL or BSD -- for everyone's sake. Andi, the GPL historically precedes the vanity that is the PHP license. It is the PHP group who rejects the FSF, not the other way around. You are in a minority if you think that the l/GPL is a “pest” or that the PHP license is “respected”. PHP as a product is certainly respected but the license needs to go. Many of the big corporations you wave your arm towards also maintain some of the most agregious licencing policies for their own products, so I submit that thay doesn’t really speak well towards your argument. Please, choose LGPL or BSD — for everyone’s sake.

]]> By: Joshua Eichorn http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6011 Joshua Eichorn Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:32:36 +0000 http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/05/zend-framework-license/#comment-6011 Dennis, Rob: Thats my understanding as well which pretty much just makes clause 5 annoying, but not too problematic for most people. Dennis, Rob:
Thats my understanding as well which pretty much just makes clause 5 annoying, but not too problematic for most people.

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